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Welfare Reform in California – Sixteen Years In The Making

Seeded on Mon Jan 16, 2012 6:50 PM EST
Read ArticleArticle Source: San Diego Union Tribune
politics, california, bill-clinton, welfare-reform, lyndon-johnson, jerry-brown
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In one of the last true bipartisan legislative accomplishments in memory, President Clinton envisioned and implemented welfare reform in 1996.

But in California, opposition to the law was entrenched, and only a limited, loophole-ridden version of welfare reform was implemented

And now 16 years later, Governor Brown is ready to bring California’s welfare program more in line with the Clinton reforms.

Now Gov. Jerry Brown wants to finally honor the spirit of the 1996 law by cutting from 48 months to 24 months the time an unemployed individual can receive state aid and reducing the exemptions that allow some to not seek work.

Making these changes in a very liberal California will not be easy

This will face opposition in the Legislature as inhumane and unfair. It’s also a different economic climate than seen in the mid- and late 1990s

Arguments will be made for and many more against these changes.

Pushing people to find work and to seek training to make themselves more employable is a good thing. That Brown is backing such policies only because it will save the state $1 billion doesn’t undercut the fact that they’ve worked very well elsewhere in the United States.

Your comments, remarks and counterpoints are welcome and appreciated.

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Robert in Ohio

Governor Brown is implementing widespread welfare reforms (if approved by the legislature) as part of the budget balancing process in California

Many of these reforms. were implemented in other states more than 16 years ago, when Pres Clinton passed the welfare reform act in 1996.

Comments, counterpoints and smart remarks are welcome and appreciated.

  • 4 votes
Reply#1 - Mon Jan 16, 2012 6:52 PM EST
Jim Davis, Veterans-For-Change

Bout damn time, but they can still scam the system because there are no real checks and balances in it...

Like fingerprinting! All you need to do is go get new fake ID, change addresses and voila, apply and receive again!

Been happening for years and has been proven over and over yet they ignore that one loop hole...

  • 2 votes
#1.1 - Tue Jan 17, 2012 4:03 PM EST
Robert in Ohio

Jim

You are closer to it than I am but one would hope that real reform is possible

  • 2 votes
#1.2 - Tue Jan 17, 2012 4:09 PM EST
Jim Davis, Veterans-For-Change

Robert, seeing will be believing... I just know for fact how badly the welfare system is abused here in CA and have done my fair share of reporting it, but to no avial...

  • 1 vote
#1.3 - Tue Jan 17, 2012 4:39 PM EST
Robert in Ohio

Jim

There is likely some abuse in all states, but reform and oversight can insure that those that need it most are able to get it and those that are not eligible are weeded out

Thanks for the perspective on the issue

    #1.4 - Tue Jan 17, 2012 5:17 PM EST
    Jim Davis, Veterans-For-Change

    Only way I know to insure it's not a continued abuse of the system is to require fingerprints and photo ID, and run each new applicant thru an ID system, compare to drivers license and police records!

    • 1 vote
    #1.5 - Wed Jan 18, 2012 12:44 AM EST
    Robert in Ohio

    Jim Davis

    You know that there will be cries of police state, and suppression of the poor but you are right that abuse and fraud must be eliminated from the system so that those that really really need and deserve the public assistance

      #1.6 - Wed Jan 18, 2012 8:14 AM EST
      Jim Davis, Veterans-For-Change

      No matter what's done about anything someone cries foul...

      Same with elections, they don't want state drivers license or ID to prove citizenship, and without controls there whose to know 8-25% or more are illegal aliens voting?

      So I guess lets just keep bending over and paying more taxes needlessly...

      • 1 vote
      #1.7 - Wed Jan 18, 2012 1:12 PM EST
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      mike from wisc

      They need to ask Tommy Thompson for advice. He did Wisconsin a great favor. I just wish he'd have run for president.

      • 2 votes
      Reply#2 - Mon Jan 16, 2012 8:05 PM EST
      Robert in Ohio

      mike

      I lived in Milwaukee for a number of years and remember the W2 program quite well and it did help Wisconsin and its citizens

      • 2 votes
      #2.1 - Mon Jan 16, 2012 8:07 PM EST
      mike from wisc

      Robert I think if Walker is given the chance he will be a great asset to Wisconsin.

      • 2 votes
      #2.2 - Mon Jan 16, 2012 8:11 PM EST
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      Vic Eldred

      What President Clinton did had a positive impact on work incentives and permanently reformed welfare. It was one of the greatest policy achievements in all of American history.

      It would seem that California will now be the last in the nation (only because it is in dire straits) to adopt these reforms.

      • 2 votes
      Reply#3 - Mon Jan 16, 2012 8:09 PM EST
      Robert in Ohio

      Vic

      I agree the legislation was a big achievement and accomplished during a period of divided government

      Thanks for stopping by

      • 2 votes
      #3.1 - Mon Jan 16, 2012 8:11 PM EST
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      lifeisgood43

      Gov Brown better watch it or he too will be recalled for this crap. Rich peole, DEM and Reps like to make poor people the scape goats when times are bad. As a Dem who voted for this guy, he is already facing backlast for cutting the poor off of many programs.

      • 1 vote
      Reply#4 - Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:15 PM EST
      Robert in Ohio

      lifeisgood

      A recall of a Dem governor in California, now that would be good political theater in a presidential election year

      I am sire he will get some flack for this effort, but bringing California more in line with the policies passed by Pres Clinton over 16 years ago doesn't seem like a reason to get fired to me.

      • 2 votes
      #4.1 - Tue Jan 17, 2012 8:31 AM EST
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